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Research shows that the bigger driver of suicide amongst veterans isn’t PTSD, but moral injury. Understanding what moral injury is and how it’s distinct, but related to PTSD is critical in treating trauma. Watch Psychotherapy Networker Director Zach Taylor, MA, LPC, with Jack Saul, PhD, author of our highly popular feature “The Hidden Trauma of Moral Injury” who will open the door to this important, but often misunderstood phenomenon.

Zachary Taylor

Zach Taylor, MA, LPC, is the Director of Psychotherapy Networker. He oversees the award-winning magazine—frequently interviewing the field’s top experts—and stepped up to be among the hosts of the annual Psychotherapy Networker Symposium, which is the largest and longest running annual gathering of psychotherapists in the world. In addition, he manages CE trainings and programs for PESI, Inc., Networker’s parent company. Prior to joining Psychotherapy Networker, he spent 10 years in practice specializing in anxiety and panic disorders. His mission is to support psychotherapy professionals and develop future trainers and trainings to improve outcomes for their clients. He currently lives in Eau Claire, WI.

Jack Saul

Jack Saul, PhD, a psychologist and artist, is the founding director of the International Trauma Studies Program, a research and training institute based in New York City. He’s served on the faculties of New York University’s School of Medicine, the New School for Social Research, and Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. As a psychologist and family therapist, he’s created programs in New York City and abroad for populations that have endured disaster, war, torture, and political violence, documented in his book Collective Trauma, Collective Healing. He’s currently working on the public arts and conversation project Moral Injuries of War, about the need to have a national public reckoning on United States war-making and war culture. Contact: Jack@jacksaul.org