Women Who Cheat
By Tammy Nelson
Understanding the message of the affair
Even though our ideas about sex and sexuality have greatly advanced over the last half-century, our culture still holds a double standard about infidelity. While no one is entirely surprised by the behavior of a Bill Clinton, an Elliot Spitzer, or a Tiger Woods—men will be men, after all—we still tend to pathologize women or shame them (or both) for having affairs.
In my view, far from being evidence of pathology or marital bankruptcy, a woman’s affair can be a way of expressing a desire for an entirely different self, either separate from the marriage altogether or still in it. An affair can be what I call “a can opener” for women unable to articulate for themselves why they’re unhappy in their marriages, much less empower themselves to leave or begin an honest conversation with their husbands about what they feel is wrong. In my practice, I’ve heard many women say, “I didn’t even know what I wanted until the affair was over and I realized that I really wanted to end my marriage,” or “I had no idea that I used the affair as a way to wake up our relationship.”
Many infidelity treatment approaches today are based on the idea that the unfaithful spouse is a perpetrator, someone who wronged the other person. While the pain caused by infidelity can’t and shouldn’t be denied, it generally isn’t understood well enough that many women cheat because they struggle with their self-identity in their lives and lack of empowerment in their marriages. To some extent, the affair makes up for a felt lack of an adult self. Sometimes, understanding an affair as an unconscious bid for self-empowerment, relief from bad sex, or a response to a lack of choices or personal freedom is an important first step toward a fuller, more mature selfhood.
Searching for the Bartered Self
Sarah came to therapy with her husband, Rob, for couples therapy after he caught her cheating. Married for 10 years, he felt hurt, angry, and hopeless about the marriage. He sat across from Sarah on the couch, with his head in his hands. “I have no idea how we’re going to get past this. Sarah says she wants to work this out, but I don’t know if we can put this marriage together again after what she’s done.”
Rob had read emails between Sarah and her boyfriend that explained in detail how much they were enjoying virtual sex—watching each other masturbating over a webcam—which had both shocked and devastated him. He’d thought their sex life was good, but admitted that having kids had gotten in the way of their relationship. He thought they still loved each other, and Sarah agreed. They were both unclear why the affair had happened, but said they wanted to recover their marriage, if possible.
At the end of their first joint session, Sarah asked whether she could see me individually. Rob consented, so I asked if they’d be OK with an open secrets policy: what’s said in the individual session stays in the session. They agreed that whatever Sarah said could be kept private, though she could share with Rob what she wished to from our individual sessions.
In our first individual session, Sarah asked if therapy could be a place where she could talk honestly about the affair. This led to a discussion of the difference between privacy and secrecy, both in her marriage and in her sessions with me. Keeping secrets in her marriage had given Sarah a sense of space—a secret place where she could grow her sexuality, dream her dreams, and keep a part of her that no one else had control over. Our first conversation revolved around how the space she’d created could be shifted from secret to private, and how she could keep a differentiated, individuated boundary around herself in her relationship. This could give her a healthy degree of separation from her husband without having to lie or be deceptive to stake out her space.
I then explained to Sarah that, in my view, infidelity recovery has three phases: crisis, insight, and vision. The crisis stage occurs right after disclosure or discovery, when couples are in acute distress and their lives are in chaos. At this point, the focus of therapy isn’t on whether or not they should stay together or if there’s a future for them, but on establishing safety, addressing painful feelings, and normalizing trauma symptoms.
In phase two, the insight phase, we talk about what vulnerabilities might have led to the extramarital affair. Becoming observers of the affair, we begin to tell the story of what happened. Repeating endless details of the sexual indiscretion doesn’t help, but taking a deeper look at what the unfaithful partner longed for and couldn’t find in the marriage—and so looked for outside of it—as well as finding empathy for the other, who was in the dark, can elicit a shift in how both partners see the affair and what it meant in their relationship.
Phase three is the vision phase, which includes seeking a deeper understanding of the meaning of the affair and moves forward the experience and resulting lessons into a new concept of marriage and, perhaps, a new future. In this phase, partners can decide to move on separately or stay together. This is where the erotic connection will be renewed (or created) and desire can be revived. In this phase, the meaning of monogamy changes from a moralistic, blanket prohibition on
outside sex to a search for deeper intimacy
inside the marriage. A vision of the relationship going forward includes negotiating a new commitment.
Establishing Safety
During early sessions in the crisis phase of treatment, Sarah’s view of the world was shifting, and she didn’t know what she wanted. She wavered about whether she wanted to stay with Rob, wondering whether she should move on and seek genuine emotional independence alone or stay and try to be both fully herself and fully married to Rob. She wasn’t sure she could trust me to understand her and didn’t trust her husband, either, even though she herself had acted in a way that wasn’t trustworthy.
Gradually, Sarah revealed that she’d felt that she had no space of her own in the marriage, literally or figuratively. Her husband had a home office, but she had no comparable space for herself. Her dependence on Rob was nearly total: he balanced the checkbook, paid the bills, earned the money, and told her when she could make ATM withdrawals. He even counted the cash in her wallet and decided how much she should spend at the hair salon. She’d never been encouraged or allowed to feel empowered and independent. As a result, she’d started rebelling against her husband like an adolescent against a too-strict father, sneaking out at night or during the day when he was at work and having clandestine sexual encounters.
Sarah’s affair consisted primarily of quick liaisons in the back of her car. Her boyfriend met sexual needs not being fulfilled at home. Although the sex was quick, furtive, and secret, he gave her orgasms and oral sex and was willing to experiment in ways she found exciting. But while buoyed by the thrill and energy of this new relationship and her long-buried ability to feel pleasure—even wondering if she might be falling in love—she also felt guilty. Frightened by the growing intimacy with her lover when they were together, she began meeting him online, masturbating with him through a webcam.
After Rob discovered the affair, he’d demanded Sarah’s email and voice mail passwords, which she gave him. Although this made her feel exposed, vulnerable, and humiliated, she thought her husband deserved the transparency—as the “innocent” party—and that she should be punished. All these thoughts conformed with many of society’s constructs about women who have affairs, but they reinforced her long-brewing resentment that her marriage wasn’t an equal partnership: she was the “bad child”; her husband, the aggrieved parent.
At this point, I reframed the affair for Sarah in a way quite different from her own perspective (and that of many therapists). I asked whether it was possible that the infidelity was less a transgression than a move toward self-respect and self-empowerment. Could she have been seeking autonomy and individuation, as well as a more mature state of sexual development? Was she trying to find her voice, maintain a stronger sense of herself, create a personal boundary that no one could cross,
and remain in her marriage? Yes, she’d betrayed her husband; this was beyond doubt, I added. And this method for finding herself was clearly not working if she wanted the marriage to survive. But perhaps she’d paradoxically
tried to sabotage the marriage as a desperate attempt to develop more emotional maturity and become a more independent and grown-up wife.
As we spoke, Sarah realized that, while her intentions in having the affair hadn’t been conscious, she did want to grow into a fuller woman and mature sexual adult. She admitted she thought she could bring that woman back into the marriage and into the relationship. This made one point crystal clear: she could no longer be satisfied with the marriage as it was.
Gaining Awareness
Having gotten a clearer portrait of Sarah’s marriage, we moved on to the insight phase of treatment. What did the affair mean about her? What did it mean about Rob? And what did it mean about their marriage?
As we explored these questions, Sarah discovered quickly that the affair had far more to do with her marriage than with her husband, whom she said she loved and with whom she wanted to stay—but only if it could become a more equal partnership. When I asked what the affair told her about Rob, she said, “I felt that
he wanted me to fill a certain kind of role; it wasn’t just about replaying my mother’s position. Rob liked being in charge, liked bossing me around and being a kind of father. I know why, too. He recently lost his job, and the only place he felt any power or control was at home. He was mad that they’d fired him and took it out on me. In a way, he’s always done that: when people reject him, he gets angry and controlling. But with us, the more he tried to control me, the more I wanted independence from him.”
We worked in sessions to identify some key areas where she could feel more autonomy and still be in relationship with Rob. She started small, choosing their television shows, making decisions on where to go to dinner, instead of saying, “I don’t care where we go. Where do you want to go?” When Rob asked her to have sex, she told him she wasn’t ready yet, but would let him know when she was. Although Rob felt he had little or no control in these situations, he did begin to appreciate signs of the new, more adult Sarah, someone equal to him, with whom he could have a conversation and negotiate choices. He realized it was a relief that he didn’t have to do it all himself, and he actually felt less lonely in the marriage.
When I asked Sarah what the affair meant about her marriage, she said, “In the affair, I felt stronger, more mature, sexier, calmer, more charming, and more alive.” We talked about whether she could integrate her sexier, more mature self into the marriage or whether the relationship was fundamentally flawed. To her, being in her marriage meant giving up a sense of personal power, while having an affair gave her a sense of independence, choice, and more control. She didn’t know how to have a grown-up relationship with her husband that encompassed safety
and desire.
Reenvisioning a Marriage
Treatment in the third phase included helping Sarah get in touch with her fantasies and reconnect with pleasure—one of her greatest challenges in therapy. She felt guilty when she thought about her own pleasure, and had compartmentalized her needs into the affair, as something separate, wrong, and forbidden. Her fantasies and desires were something she felt shame about sharing with her husband. Bringing that sexual part of her into the marriage was the beginning of erotic recovery for her and for her marriage, but she still had to learn to connect with her desires and to communicate them to Rob.
I asked her to write down some of her sexual fantasies and share what she thought the desire or longing underneath them was. For instance, if the fantasy was to have someone grab her hair and kiss her, was this spurred by a longing to be held, to be out of control, to know that she was wanted and desired, or all of the above? The goal was to normalize her sexual needs: her affair had been a breach of monogamy, not a sexual pathology.
“If you could have anything you wanted, what would you ideally expect from your sex life with your husband?”
Sarah answered shyly, “That he’d pursue me and we’d try new things in bed.”
When I asked her if she knew what the longing underneath might be, she said, “My real longing underneath is to be totally special to him.”
Sarah went on to work on a vision of a more intimate and adult sexuality. This included asking Rob to behave in ways that made her feel special and trying to make him feel special as well. By this point, she was committed to creating a mutual vision of a new monogamy with her husband, and I suggested they return for couples therapy and focus together on their erotic recovery.
Several months later, Rob and Sarah are still working on an agreement for a new, monogamous marriage together. Sarah is committed to sharing her real thoughts and feelings with Rob. In this way, her adult self and her adult needs become a priority that can be talked about and negotiated in the relationship. She feels they’re now given as much importance as Rob’s needs.
Rob’s commitment to Sarah is that he tries harder to share his feelings and work on creating a more emotionally intimate relationship. They both try to be conscious of the distant and disconnected roles learned in their childhoods, and focus instead on the emotional intimacy they really want from the relationship.
Their new monogamy includes a focus on their erotic recovery. The affair created an erotic injury to their relationship, and Rob and Sarah continue to work on this as a goal of healing. They’ve made a commitment to sharing their fantasies and talking about what’s working in their love life. When they feel distant or dissatisfied, they want to learn to talk about it and turn toward each other instead of shutting down or turning to someone else outside the marriage.
Sarah now understands that her journey to self-empowerment and freedom can happen at the same time that she’s a wife and partner. Her adult choices include staying in a mature, monogamous relationship, while creating space for working on her own self-identity. Her worth in the relationship continues to be a focus of our couples therapy. Her cheating makes sense to her now in the context of her life issues, but she has a new empathy for Rob and how it affected him.
As therapists, it’s important to discern what our goal is for the women we treat in infidelity therapy. Are we helping them end an affair or end their marriage? Is it our job to remind them of their vows or simply to help them heal? By viewing women’s infidelity as a possible search for a new way of being, we can help them reenvision a fully committed relationship with greater empowerment and equality.
CASE COMMENTARY
By David Treadway
While I admire the sensitive work Tammy Nelson did in rejuvenating Sarah and Rob’s marriage, both emotionally and erotically, I believe that zooming in too quickly to examine the root causes of an infidelity without addressing the emotional impact of the betrayal on both parties usually leads to incomplete healing. Although I say to couples that each partner is 50 percent responsible for what’s not working in a marriage, I always add that choosing to have a secret affair is 100 percent the responsibility of the unfaithful spouse. Most of the time, couples need a way of healing the fundamental breach of trust before being able to fully repair the relationship.
In working with couples following a secret affair, I use a four-step model based on the treatment approach of clinical psychologist Janis Abrahms Spring:
Step 1: The betrayed partners have as much time as needed to share their hurt, anger, and sense of devastation while unfaithful partners listen as nondefensively as possible without explaining or rationalizing their behavior. The therapist helps the partner who had the outside relationship to be compassionate and caring about the impact of the affair. Needless to say, this may take more than a single session.
Step 2: The unfaithful partners are then taught to write a letter in which they take full responsibility for having done harm, indicating what they’ll do to ensure it won’t happen again and what concrete steps they’ll take to make amends. In addition to agreeing never again to see the other party in the affair, other ways to make amends might include giving up drinking for a year or getting rid of the boat where the affair took place.
Step 3: The letter of amends is read in session, and the concrete actions that constitute an attempt at atonement are agreed upon by both partners.
Step 4: Only at this point is the challenge of learning how to forgive discussed, and only if betrayed partners are ready to begin to work on it. If so, they’re coached on how to write a forgiveness letter that involves accepting the attempts at atonement and expressing a willingness to let go of a sense of injury. This all takes place with the understanding that forgiveness can’t be legislated; it has to grow over time.
It’s my experience that patiently and thoroughly working through this difficult process without shaming and blaming is what allows a couple to move on to achieving a level of intimacy and trust that they typically never had before. I remember a man named Paul who’d gone on to transform his relationship with his wife after her affair and referred to their new sense of connection as his “second marriage.” In one of our last sessions, he put his arm around his wife, smiled at me conspiratorially, and said, “You know what I like best? Here I have this extraordinary woman and a brand new ‘second marriage,’ and the lawyers didn’t get a dime!”
AUTHOR'S RESPONSE
I agree with David Treadway’s observation that working with couples after an infidelity takes lots of finesse and that, of course, the feelings of the person who’s been deceived and betrayed need to taken into account and addressed. Like Treadway, I think Janis Spring’s “secrets policy” can be invaluable, offering helpful clinical guidelines for individual work when necessary.
Since this case study was told from Sarah’s point of view, it doesn’t delve into Rob’s feelings, nor do we get to see much of the couples work. Instead, the focus is on the special issues of identity and empowerment for women who have affairs. If I’d told the fuller story of the therapy with this couple, I’d have devoted more attention to the third phase of treatment—the attempt to help them develop a new vision of their marriage, which I call the “new monogamy.”
However, the most important message I hope readers take away from this case is that even after the wrenching pain of an affair, therapists still have an opportunity to help troubled couples create a new relationship with better communication, fuller intimacy, and realistic hope for a better future together.
Tammy Nelson, Ph.D., M.S., a board-certified sexologist, licensed professional counselor, certified sex therapist, and Imago therapist, is the founder and executive director of the Center for Healing. She’s the author of The New Monogamy; Getting the Sex You Want;
and What’s Eating You?
David Treadway, Ph.D., is director of the Treadway Training Institute. He’s the author of Home Before Dark: First Year with Cancer
and Intimacy, Change, and Other Therapeutic Mysteries: Stories of Clinicians and Clients.
CE Question: Am I supposed to do anything to demonstrate my attendance for CEs? (I did pay for CEs)
Content comment: I don't think the tree graphic slide was ever mentioned or explained. Wish it had been.
Becky Pine, Groton, MA
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I find dreams completely fascinating but I have never linked them to my research. Someone who is steeped in attachment theory and who wrote a fascinating book on dreams is Louis Breger.
I have lots of opinions, but I direct you to FAMILY COURT REVIEW
July 2011, edited by Jenn McIntosh, that will have full coverage of this
I would love to see the pictures you mentioned.
As a psychotherapist who uses EMDR, which in addition to being mindful of the attunement in the therapeutic relationship, taps into nonverbal "mind/body" experiences and beliefs which, guided by attachment theory, seem to be due to early insecure attachment, I am privileged to witness the healing of the unarticulatable, yet deeply held belief/experiences - particularly around worthiness, which you specifically mentioned - and the movement towards positive outcomes.
Finally, I enjoyed that a seminar on attachment was not just one talking head, but a conversation. It was fun to notice the tiny mis and re attunements between you two as you discussed the "science of attunment."
Coral Springs, Florida
I believe you would find some useful information in what is called "The Handbook of Attachment Research..., published by Guilford and edited by Cassidy and Shaver. See especially the chapter by Dozier.
Thank you. I was lucky enough to take a class with you and consult with you on a case of two sisters in a failed adoption about three years ago. I have found that what little I knew about attachment through you and through Susan Johnson's work with adults has shaped my clinical practice and allowed me to have extraordinary experiences in practice with individuals with cluster B personality disorders. This is incredibly powerful as a tool for change and healing. Thank you and thanks to the Networker for this fine presentation.
There is a training opportunity I would point you to if you would like to email me (srouf001@umn.edu).
Marta Cullberg Weston
Stockholm, Sweden
This is including those who are pushed toward precocious independence...these will later be more dependent.
This statement is an important and strong reminder for the western cultural collective consciousness of pushing children to be more, do more, know more earlier...rather than attuning to, allowing and meeting their needs fully at each stage of development with sensitivity. I am very much looking forward to his book. Thank you for your work Dr. Sroufe...such an amazing study...35 years! An incredibly important and needed gift of concrete awareness to our field.
I really liked the view that attachment isn't linear and how a development perspective was emphasized..
The Bowlby/Ainsworth theory is both about how attachments are formed and the variations in quality of attachment among those who receive ongoing care from a particular person (a huge percentage in our society). There are unattached children (reared in institutions) and not yet attached children (recently adopted). But for most children, including abused children, attachment strength is not the issue. The problem with RAD is that extraordinarily few home reared children meet criteria; yet a substantial portion of child problems have there roots in attachment histories. Thus, DSM has paradoxically obscured the role of attachment by sequestering attachment issues into this single category.
I am touched by, and deeply appreciative of, the opportunity to experience the integrity and commitment of who you (both) are. I come at these most profound and far-reaching topics of attachment as an environmental advocate. One who is aghast at the level of polarization and utter dysfunction of the current US political system. A system that decrees our relationship to the natural systems on which our lives -- all life -- depends.
Just one example with titanic ramifications: In this moment, the future of the Environmental Protection Agency is in question. It’s mandate covers the elements from which we are composed: the air we breathe; the water we drink; the fire/warmth of climate; and the quality of the earth on which we stand and that produces our food.
Our ‘addiction’ to lives lived via fossil fuels -- oil, coal, gas -- is threatening those very elements essential for our survival.
A BIG question: could it not be said that addiction -- personal and collective -- is a sign of a mis-appropriated attachment? A compensatory relationship to matter, to material/mater/mother? The very thing that results in our relationship -- or lack of it, i.e., lack of attunement -- to Mother Earth?
Do you know of any person or organization addressing such root psychological causes of the human behavior that threatens the future of our species? Is anyone talking about our survival? about adaptation?!
I don't know if you're aware of a branch of psychology called ecopsychology (if it's old news to you, my apologies). I wonder if that might be an area where you could find some of the answers you seek. http://www.ecopsychology.org/
I've been studying Patricia Crittenden's Dynamic Maturation Model (DMM). Her approach to attachment is in understanding attachment as a self-protective, adaptation to danger. In this light, anxious attachment is seen as necessary for survival. This greatly changes ideas in working with children and families and, I find, promotes understanding and compassion. Instead of trying to change behavior and create security, one works harder to understand the danger and increase safety - physical or psychological.
Crittenden incorporates Bronfenbrenner's theory of social ecology into the DMM. This involves a nested system theory where the systems of global, political, community and family, interact in a transactional way effecting individual outcomes.
Perhaps, we, in the West, have been feeling very safe and not giving any thought to our Mother! Of course, this could change at any moment. We are never really secure ...but always needing to adapt. That's life!
I was thinking of my work with couples and wondering how I can get them to be more attuned with one another.
I liked the comment about humans running TO a person rather than into a whole. I also agree that safety comes from being connected to others. I see a lot of clients who are fearful of being alone. Finally, I apprecated his comments on that a person's developmental history also affects the circumstances that a person puts themselves into.
Rich, I think that I have learned more from these webinars than I did in the 2 years of grad school. They are a gift! Thank you!!
I am familiar with an attachment-based training program for clinicians that may be of interest to you. If you would like to hear about it you might email me (srouf001@umn.edu).
I am so helped as a therapist by these webinairs and in aprticular to have attachment theory explained, what it is and what it isn't. In this particular one I found Rich
asking questions and re-directing Alan before he finished
a thought or concept. I would have liked for Rich to wait until Alan made a complete statement, it was distracting and left loose ends.
I am now working on helping young couples address their own attachment issues as part of preparation for the birth of their baby so that they will be more likely to be responsive and sensitive caregivers as they attune to their new baby. Do you know of others who are interested in this preventive approach? Thanks again.
Barbara Stern,LMFT
Two people who have done great work on this question are Phil and Carolyn Cowan at UC Berkeley. You can google them and find this work easily
I was so pleased to hear Dr. Sroufe's presentation, having "discovered" his book Emotional Development while writing my 1995 dissertation. Thank you for clarifying the disputed points of Attachment Theory so effectively.
During the discussion, I was struck with the idea that Marcia's Identity Achievement research relies on the presence or absence of Exploration prior to Commitment as the axis elements necessary to the successful negotiation of (Ericson's) Identity Crisis Stage. This seems to echo the the Attachment/Exploration components of the current discussion.
Be assured the recent Networker issue is close at hand in my work with students and supervisees, and keep the wonderful webinars coming! (St. Louis, MO)
Thanks for the Webinar series.
I don't quite no what pictures you are referring to, but if you email me I'll see if I can help you
I was curious as to whether there has been any extensive research done on how divorce effects a child's attachment. If a child was securely attached as an infant, would a divorce that occurred when they were a toddler effect the quality of their attachment with their primary caregiver?
Thank you for this series. I'm very much looking forward to the future broadcast.
I direct you to FAMILY COURT REVIEW, July 2011, edited by Jenn McIntosh, that will have full coverage of this. It is a complicated matter with no simple answers, but some good thinking has been done. One thing that follows from our work is that were a child securely attached prior to the divorce that should serve as a protective factor.
'Humans do not run to a place when they are scared - they run to a person'
'Early experience initiates a path and frames subsequent encounters with the world.
'Relationships influence the development of the brain.'
'When people respond to your needs you discover that you are somebody.'
'To be sensitive does not mean to have a thin skin, but it means to do the things that others need.'
'The main ingredients for change are relationships'
'Prior development constrains the ability to chnage'
Thank you for the webinar.
Johan Cloete
South Africa
I am a clinincal psychologist in Melbourne Australia, and thought I would listen while I was working on other things. I was very impressed, actually stopped and took notes, it was a wonderful lecture, really crystallized some of the attachment and neurobiology concepts that are emerging at the moment. Thoroughly enjoyed it, Thank You.
I would like to respond to a couple of your points, because they are so important. In a short presentation it is hard to get across the complexity of the theory, but attachment theory certainly does not say that infant attachment determines the rest of one’s life. Our study showed explicitly that later parenting as well as early parenting, relationships with peers at every age, relationships with teachers, coaches and therapists, and adult romantic relationships all were important influences in development. This was precisely articulated in Bowlby’s pathways model. Early attachment is important, but because it initiates a path and impacts one’s later interpretation of and reaction to events, not because it determines outcomes in a linear manner. To give just one example, attachment is important because it impacts early peer relationships, which impact subsequent peer relationships and so forth. This is, in fact, demonstrated empirically.
As to blaming, the evidence we obtained in our study should keep anyone from blaming parents. Not only is it the case that the infant’s attachment in predictable from the developmental history of the parents, but from their current supports and stresses. Moreover, we found that when stresses and supports change (or parental depression changes), so does the attachment or at a later age the child’s behavior problems. Were I prone to cast blame it would be to our society that is giving too little priority to supporting parents and children.
So the "you're blaming me" defense has the effect of silencing/discreditting/vilifying the researcher as doctors and genetics rush to the rescue of the "poor victim parent". I have too admire such a clever move, it is amazing.
A person who is able to accept that they are imperfect has not fear of negative feedback on their performance. The really wonderful thing about attachment is that a change in parental behavior/attitudes/beliefs can have a possitive impact on their children's mental health at any point in their lives, because parents remain important through every stage of life.
My primary theoretical orientation is British Object Relations (Klein, Winnicott, Bion). Attachment theorists and Object Relations Theorists agree that early experiences with relationship - attachment - establish a template upon which ongoing development proceeds. In Dr. Sroufe's view, what are the major differences or disagreements between Attachment theorists and Object Relations theorists?
Attachment theory and object relations positions are indeed very simpatico. They get to almost exactly the same place; however, they get there in quite distinctive ways. In O-R theory, one the infant first cathects a “part-object” (the breast) and only in time, by extension, recognizes the mother and forms a relationship with her. In Bowlby’s theory, the relationship is primary (though at first of course orchestrated by the parent) and the self emerges in the context of the relationship. The organization of the self is forecast by the organization of the relationship the parent crafts. Bowlby’s theory not only takes a more direct path to relationships but is testable. I don’t know how one can test object relations theory, however much I resonate with the ideas of especially Bollas, Hamilton, and Fairbairn. I would add that Bowlby was especially negative about Melanie Klein's ideas since they were so removed from the actual experience of infants which is central in Bowlby's theory.
If you are interested in further exposure regarding how these two positions might be complementary, you might email me (srouf001@umn.edu)
I know of a training experience that might be of interest to you if you wish to email me (srouf001@umn.edu)
Edwin Miller
speople@sbcglobal.net
Charlie Love
Austin, Tx.
I know of a training that may be of interest to you if you would like to email me (srouf001@umn.edu)
Thank you for the ability to increase the size of the screen. It was easier to read the presenter's slides.
Not likely that I will be asked to write another Networker article, but I know of a training that specifically addresses your question. If you would like to find out about it, email me (srouf001@umn.edu).
Yes, alas, discussion of disorganization and trauma and the AAI was cut out of our article as well. But is people would like some pieces on this they can email me at srouf001@umn.edu
I am becoming attached to your webinars - even though I only get to see them by paying up and downloading much later when they are just as lively as live. Is the "downloading later but just as lively" a kind of description of what we do with our attachment representations?! And the present context is different so what we hear and learn may be different each time. An argument for paying up for long term re-downloading if ever there was!
When I was a baby child psychiatrist I was meant to read Bowlby's books, but they looked too big and serious for me! So I've winged it over the years. I also got put off by attachment seeming to be too theoretical, too simplistic (despite the size of the books I had not read!!), too scientific or behavioral almost and anti-psychoanalytical. I thought the word attachment was too mechanical sounding for relationships.
Now I'm a family therapist and older (and with kids and grandkids of my own) I think attachment is a very good word for the strong emotional bonds we have with all our nearest and dearest. I also have a growing respect for all the many things that Bowlby did - including the first clear description of family therapy (if you read this 1949 paper for example - view it here:
Link
Not sure who in the UK picked this up afterwards, and it was in the US that FT developed over the next 20 years. I have also seen Sue Johnson's stuff that shows how attachment patterns are just as vivid and useful to therapy in adult attachments.
So what a delight to have a comprehensive update delivered so clearly in one hour - oh ok, 68 minutes - and most unusually to find that the great originator of 60 years ago is still praised for the careful quality of his thinking then. Is there any field where the originator has not been gently buried by better disciples?!!
So, thanks again and au revoir.
Nick
PS Just checked. Paste the long URL in your browser and you can read the Bowlby article.
I am a student of psychology on master degree, asn \i am planing to do master thesis,,I red a lot about attachment theory but still don't have an idea what hypothesis can I test for my thesis,, what has not been done an who is a need to work on...If you can give me some direction oh which topic to focus on attachment,,all the best,,, besaa