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Tough CustomersBy Rich Simon As therapists, many of us practice in two different worlds. In the first, we see polite, well-behaved, articulate clients with solid values. They engage fully in therapy, talk cogently about their problems, listen attentively to our responses, make reasonably good-faith efforts to follow our suggestions, and sooner or later get better. No wonder we genuinely like these people!

Does This Kid Need Medication? with Ron Taffel

Meds: Myths and Realities: NP0035 – Session 3

Do you feel like you could be a more effective therapist with your younger clients? Do you find it hard to determine when interventions--psychological and pharmacological--might be needed? Join Ron Taffel and learn to identify key diagnostic signs that indicate medications could be helpful when dealing with depression, anxiety, AD/HD, and affective disorders. After the session, please let us know what you think. If you ever have any technical questions or issues, please feel free to email support@psychotherapynetworker.org.

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In Consultation

Peer Supervision Groups that Work

By Eleanor Counselman

Three steps that make a difference

Q: I’d like to organize a peer supervision group, but I’ve heard their failure rate is high. What do you recommend? A: Peer supervision groups provide a welcome respite from the isolation of private practice and an informal, nonevaluative setting after years of formal supervision, particularly for young therapists. They offer valuable guidance on difficult cases and tough ethical dilemmas to therapists at any level of experience. And they’re free! However, as you note, many of them fail. In my experience, careful attention to the initial contract and the ongoing group process can make a huge difference in helping them sustain their membership and thrive. Though they’re often called peer supervision groups, it would be more accurate to call them peer consultation groups. Members don’t have direct supervisory responsibility for one another’s cases: they simply offer suggestions, which members can accept or reject. They typically have four to six members who have approximately the same level of professional experience or share a specific area of interest. Members meet on a regular, usually biweekly, basis. Group consultation, with or without a leader, offers advantages over individual consultation. It includes the possibility of multiple perspectives on the same problem and the reduction of clinicians’ shame about confusions and mistakes as they share similar stories about their struggles with difficult cases. Another benefit is peer interaction, which develops one’s professional sense of self. The hall-of-mirrors effect—seeing yourself as others see you—which is so potent in therapy groups, is a major component of the supervision group experience. Nevertheless, despite the many benefits, it’s challenging to start and maintain a consultation group, particularly if it’s a leaderless one. They can fail to thrive or suffer from “task drift,” moving them away from discussing clinical material and into a form of therapy. It can be difficult to integrate new members and maintain clarity about the group’s own process. Presenting cases in supervision in any format poses obvious risks to one’s self-esteem, and group dynamics add additional risks: issues of power, competition, exposure, and shame can lead members to drop out. It’s especially challenging to manage group dynamics in leaderless groups, as it’s usually the leader’s role to remain aware of what’s happening within the group, and without a leader in charge, shame or fear of being judged may silence members. The most successful leaderless groups seem to be those in which the group members find a balance between a focus on cognitive and emotional issues—talking about cases and about the feelings that arise when seeing clients—while consciously managing the functions that a designated leader would serve. These include protecting the group contract, setting and maintaining appropriate norms, and handling gatekeeping matters, such as bringing in new members. A crucial component of maintaining an atmosphere of group safety is regular, dependable member attendance. Without this, a group will never feel like a place to take risks. Members need to be willing to bring up concerns about irregular attendance because, just as in a therapy group, member lateness and absences can indicate issues that need exploring. Chronic irregular attendance can be demoralizing and cause a group to fail. When it comes to group safety and cohesion, Woody Allen was right: 90 percent of supervision group success is about showing up. A significant issue in any supervision group is shame and the reluctance to expose oneself. To make supervision groups feel safer, therapist David Altfeld developed a model of group consultation in which all group members simply share their emotional reactions and associations to a situation being discussed, instead of one person presenting a specific case issue and everyone else giving advice as resident “experts.” This procedure levels the playing field by not allowing members to compete for the best case analysis. It leaves room for highlighting emotional issues, countertransference reactions, and parallel process. Making everyone vulnerable in this manner avoids opportunities for excessive criticism (or its counterpart, excessive niceness) and encourages emotional sharing. Another group consultation model, developed by Irish therapist Bobby Moore, focuses only on minimal case information, such as a patient’s age, length of time in therapy, and perhaps a little demographic information. Then the presenter talks about his or her thoughts, fantasies, feelings, and associations about the patient and the therapy. Group members then share their associations. Following that, the initial presenter is invited to share any further associations. Only at this point does the presenter give the facts of the case and the clinical dilemma. Finally, the group thinks together about what’s been discussed and what it indicates about the case. For those interested in the power of the collective unconscious, this is a fascinating process to experience. To succeed, a consultation group must feel safe and useful to its members. Here are a few simple principles to follow: Clarify the group structure. The group needs to agree on the frequency and length of meetings, which is best accomplished with a predictable schedule. The group needs to agree on its task and focus: is this group for any clinical issue or just for couples, or trauma, or group therapy? How much time will the group spend on “schmoozing,” and will there be one or more than one case presented each time? What will be the presentation format? While most groups use verbal presentation, some groups are now using videoclips—which makes the discussion much livelier. Agree on membership issues. How many members will the group have, and how will new members be integrated? Once a group has formed, I believe that decisions about adding more members should be a group decision. While it may be tempting to accept a request from someone who wants to join the group, a total of six members seems to be the maximum number for each member to have enough opportunities for presentations. Attend to the group process and dynamics. While groups should build in a “schmooze” or “check-in” time, there needs to be an agreed-upon limit to the socializing, so that the group doesn’t become a therapy group or a coffee klatch. Without a leader, the members themselves must monitor the group’s procedures and raise any important issues. Some groups do this ad hoc; others schedule a regular review meeting to evaluate how things are going. Leaderless peer supervision groups can help clinicians at any stage further clinical learning and combat professional isolation. They’re likeliest to succeed when the group members have a clear working agreement, maintain regular attendance, and create an environment in which both emotional and cognitive learning occurs. Eleanor Counselman, Ed.D., is a past president of the Northeastern Society for Group Psychotherapy and an assistant professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. She’s published numerous articles on psychotherapy and has a private practice in Belmont, Massachusetts.

Case Study

Women Who Cheat

By Tammy Nelson

Understanding the message of the affair

Even though our ideas about sex and sexuality have greatly advanced over the last half-century, our culture still holds a double standard about infidelity. While no one is entirely surprised by the behavior of a Bill Clinton, an Elliot Spitzer, or a Tiger Woods—men will be men, after all—we still tend to pathologize women or shame them (or both) for having affairs. In my view, far from being evidence of pathology or marital bankruptcy, a woman’s affair can be a way of expressing a desire for an entirely different self, either separate from the marriage altogether or still in it. An affair can be what I call “a can opener” for women unable to articulate for themselves why they’re unhappy in their marriages, much less empower themselves to leave or begin an honest conversation with their husbands about what they feel is wrong. In my practice, I’ve heard many women say, “I didn’t even know what I wanted until the affair was over and I realized that I really wanted to end my marriage,” or “I had no idea that I used the affair as a way to wake up our relationship.” Many infidelity treatment approaches today are based on the idea that the unfaithful spouse is a perpetrator, someone who wronged the other person. While the pain caused by infidelity can’t and shouldn’t be denied, it generally isn’t understood well enough that many women cheat because they struggle with their self-identity in their lives and lack of empowerment in their marriages. To some extent, the affair makes up for a felt lack of an adult self. Sometimes, understanding an affair as an unconscious bid for self-empowerment, relief from bad sex, or a response to a lack of choices or personal freedom is an important first step toward a fuller, more mature selfhood. Searching for the Bartered Self Sarah came to therapy with her husband, Rob, for couples therapy after he caught her cheating. Married for 10 years, he felt hurt, angry, and hopeless about the marriage. He sat across from Sarah on the couch, with his head in his hands. “I have no idea how we’re going to get past this. Sarah says she wants to work this out, but I don’t know if we can put this marriage together again after what she’s done.” Rob had read emails between Sarah and her boyfriend that explained in detail how much they were enjoying virtual sex—watching each other masturbating over a webcam—which had both shocked and devastated him. He’d thought their sex life was good, but admitted that having kids had gotten in the way of their relationship. He thought they still loved each other, and Sarah agreed. They were both unclear why the affair had happened, but said they wanted to recover their marriage, if possible. At the end of their first joint session, Sarah asked whether she could see me individually. Rob consented, so I asked if they’d be OK with an open secrets policy: what’s said in the individual session stays in the session. They agreed that whatever Sarah said could be kept private, though she could share with Rob what she wished to from our individual sessions. In our first individual session, Sarah asked if therapy could be a place where she could talk honestly about the affair. This led to a discussion of the difference between privacy and secrecy, both in her marriage and in her sessions with me. Keeping secrets in her marriage had given Sarah a sense of space—a secret place where she could grow her sexuality, dream her dreams, and keep a part of her that no one else had control over. Our first conversation revolved around how the space she’d created could be shifted from secret to private, and how she could keep a differentiated, individuated boundary around herself in her relationship. This could give her a healthy degree of separation from her husband without having to lie or be deceptive to stake out her space. I then explained to Sarah that, in my view, infidelity recovery has three phases: crisis, insight, and vision. The crisis stage occurs right after disclosure or discovery, when couples are in acute distress and their lives are in chaos. At this point, the focus of therapy isn’t on whether or not they should stay together or if there’s a future for them, but on establishing safety, addressing painful feelings, and normalizing trauma symptoms. In phase two, the insight phase, we talk about what vulnerabilities might have led to the extramarital affair. Becoming observers of the affair, we begin to tell the story of what happened. Repeating endless details of the sexual indiscretion doesn’t help, but taking a deeper look at what the unfaithful partner longed for and couldn’t find in the marriage—and so looked for outside of it—as well as finding empathy for the other, who was in the dark, can elicit a shift in how both partners see the affair and what it meant in their relationship. Phase three is the vision phase, which includes seeking a deeper understanding of the meaning of the affair and moves forward the experience and resulting lessons into a new concept of marriage and, perhaps, a new future. In this phase, partners can decide to move on separately or stay together. This is where the erotic connection will be renewed (or created) and desire can be revived. In this phase, the meaning of monogamy changes from a moralistic, blanket prohibition on outside sex to a search for deeper intimacy inside the marriage. A vision of the relationship going forward includes negotiating a new commitment. Establishing Safety During early sessions in the crisis phase of treatment, Sarah’s view of the world was shifting, and she didn’t know what she wanted. She wavered about whether she wanted to stay with Rob, wondering whether she should move on and seek genuine emotional independence alone or stay and try to be both fully herself and fully married to Rob. She wasn’t sure she could trust me to understand her and didn’t trust her husband, either, even though she herself had acted in a way that wasn’t trustworthy. Gradually, Sarah revealed that she’d felt that she had no space of her own in the marriage, literally or figuratively. Her husband had a home office, but she had no comparable space for herself. Her dependence on Rob was nearly total: he balanced the checkbook, paid the bills, earned the money, and told her when she could make ATM withdrawals. He even counted the cash in her wallet and decided how much she should spend at the hair salon. She’d never been encouraged or allowed to feel empowered and independent. As a result, she’d started rebelling against her husband like an adolescent against a too-strict father, sneaking out at night or during the day when he was at work and having clandestine sexual encounters. Sarah’s affair consisted primarily of quick liaisons in the back of her car. Her boyfriend met sexual needs not being fulfilled at home. Although the sex was quick, furtive, and secret, he gave her orgasms and oral sex and was willing to experiment in ways she found exciting. But while buoyed by the thrill and energy of this new relationship and her long-buried ability to feel pleasure—even wondering if she might be falling in love—she also felt guilty. Frightened by the growing intimacy with her lover when they were together, she began meeting him online, masturbating with him through a webcam. After Rob discovered the affair, he’d demanded Sarah’s email and voice mail passwords, which she gave him. Although this made her feel exposed, vulnerable, and humiliated, she thought her husband deserved the transparency—as the “innocent” party—and that she should be punished. All these thoughts conformed with many of society’s constructs about women who have affairs, but they reinforced her long-brewing resentment that her marriage wasn’t an equal partnership: she was the “bad child”; her husband, the aggrieved parent. At this point, I reframed the affair for Sarah in a way quite different from her own perspective (and that of many therapists). I asked whether it was possible that the infidelity was less a transgression than a move toward self-respect and self-empowerment. Could she have been seeking autonomy and individuation, as well as a more mature state of sexual development? Was she trying to find her voice, maintain a stronger sense of herself, create a personal boundary that no one could cross, and remain in her marriage? Yes, she’d betrayed her husband; this was beyond doubt, I added. And this method for finding herself was clearly not working if she wanted the marriage to survive. But perhaps she’d paradoxically tried to sabotage the marriage as a desperate attempt to develop more emotional maturity and become a more independent and grown-up wife. As we spoke, Sarah realized that, while her intentions in having the affair hadn’t been conscious, she did want to grow into a fuller woman and mature sexual adult. She admitted she thought she could bring that woman back into the marriage and into the relationship. This made one point crystal clear: she could no longer be satisfied with the marriage as it was. Gaining Awareness Having gotten a clearer portrait of Sarah’s marriage, we moved on to the insight phase of treatment. What did the affair mean about her? What did it mean about Rob? And what did it mean about their marriage? As we explored these questions, Sarah discovered quickly that the affair had far more to do with her marriage than with her husband, whom she said she loved and with whom she wanted to stay—but only if it could become a more equal partnership. When I asked what the affair told her about Rob, she said, “I felt that he wanted me to fill a certain kind of role; it wasn’t just about replaying my mother’s position. Rob liked being in charge, liked bossing me around and being a kind of father. I know why, too. He recently lost his job, and the only place he felt any power or control was at home. He was mad that they’d fired him and took it out on me. In a way, he’s always done that: when people reject him, he gets angry and controlling. But with us, the more he tried to control me, the more I wanted independence from him.” We worked in sessions to identify some key areas where she could feel more autonomy and still be in relationship with Rob. She started small, choosing their television shows, making decisions on where to go to dinner, instead of saying, “I don’t care where we go. Where do you want to go?” When Rob asked her to have sex, she told him she wasn’t ready yet, but would let him know when she was. Although Rob felt he had little or no control in these situations, he did begin to appreciate signs of the new, more adult Sarah, someone equal to him, with whom he could have a conversation and negotiate choices. He realized it was a relief that he didn’t have to do it all himself, and he actually felt less lonely in the marriage. When I asked Sarah what the affair meant about her marriage, she said, “In the affair, I felt stronger, more mature, sexier, calmer, more charming, and more alive.” We talked about whether she could integrate her sexier, more mature self into the marriage or whether the relationship was fundamentally flawed. To her, being in her marriage meant giving up a sense of personal power, while having an affair gave her a sense of independence, choice, and more control. She didn’t know how to have a grown-up relationship with her husband that encompassed safety and desire. Reenvisioning a Marriage Treatment in the third phase included helping Sarah get in touch with her fantasies and reconnect with pleasure—one of her greatest challenges in therapy. She felt guilty when she thought about her own pleasure, and had compartmentalized her needs into the affair, as something separate, wrong, and forbidden. Her fantasies and desires were something she felt shame about sharing with her husband. Bringing that sexual part of her into the marriage was the beginning of erotic recovery for her and for her marriage, but she still had to learn to connect with her desires and to communicate them to Rob. I asked her to write down some of her sexual fantasies and share what she thought the desire or longing underneath them was. For instance, if the fantasy was to have someone grab her hair and kiss her, was this spurred by a longing to be held, to be out of control, to know that she was wanted and desired, or all of the above? The goal was to normalize her sexual needs: her affair had been a breach of monogamy, not a sexual pathology. “If you could have anything you wanted, what would you ideally expect from your sex life with your husband?” Sarah answered shyly, “That he’d pursue me and we’d try new things in bed.” When I asked her if she knew what the longing underneath might be, she said, “My real longing underneath is to be totally special to him.” Sarah went on to work on a vision of a more intimate and adult sexuality. This included asking Rob to behave in ways that made her feel special and trying to make him feel special as well. By this point, she was committed to creating a mutual vision of a new monogamy with her husband, and I suggested they return for couples therapy and focus together on their erotic recovery. Several months later, Rob and Sarah are still working on an agreement for a new, monogamous marriage together. Sarah is committed to sharing her real thoughts and feelings with Rob. In this way, her adult self and her adult needs become a priority that can be talked about and negotiated in the relationship. She feels they’re now given as much importance as Rob’s needs. Rob’s commitment to Sarah is that he tries harder to share his feelings and work on creating a more emotionally intimate relationship. They both try to be conscious of the distant and disconnected roles learned in their childhoods, and focus instead on the emotional intimacy they really want from the relationship. Their new monogamy includes a focus on their erotic recovery. The affair created an erotic injury to their relationship, and Rob and Sarah continue to work on this as a goal of healing. They’ve made a commitment to sharing their fantasies and talking about what’s working in their love life. When they feel distant or dissatisfied, they want to learn to talk about it and turn toward each other instead of shutting down or turning to someone else outside the marriage. Sarah now understands that her journey to self-empowerment and freedom can happen at the same time that she’s a wife and partner. Her adult choices include staying in a mature, monogamous relationship, while creating space for working on her own self-identity. Her worth in the relationship continues to be a focus of our couples therapy. Her cheating makes sense to her now in the context of her life issues, but she has a new empathy for Rob and how it affected him. As therapists, it’s important to discern what our goal is for the women we treat in infidelity therapy. Are we helping them end an affair or end their marriage? Is it our job to remind them of their vows or simply to help them heal? By viewing women’s infidelity as a possible search for a new way of being, we can help them reenvision a fully committed relationship with greater empowerment and equality. CASE COMMENTARY By David Treadway While I admire the sensitive work Tammy Nelson did in rejuvenating Sarah and Rob’s marriage, both emotionally and erotically, I believe that zooming in too quickly to examine the root causes of an infidelity without addressing the emotional impact of the betrayal on both parties usually leads to incomplete healing. Although I say to couples that each partner is 50 percent responsible for what’s not working in a marriage, I always add that choosing to have a secret affair is 100 percent the responsibility of the unfaithful spouse. Most of the time, couples need a way of healing the fundamental breach of trust before being able to fully repair the relationship. In working with couples following a secret affair, I use a four-step model based on the treatment approach of clinical psychologist Janis Abrahms Spring: Step 1: The betrayed partners have as much time as needed to share their hurt, anger, and sense of devastation while unfaithful partners listen as nondefensively as possible without explaining or rationalizing their behavior. The therapist helps the partner who had the outside relationship to be compassionate and caring about the impact of the affair. Needless to say, this may take more than a single session. Step 2: The unfaithful partners are then taught to write a letter in which they take full responsibility for having done harm, indicating what they’ll do to ensure it won’t happen again and what concrete steps they’ll take to make amends. In addition to agreeing never again to see the other party in the affair, other ways to make amends might include giving up drinking for a year or getting rid of the boat where the affair took place. Step 3: The letter of amends is read in session, and the concrete actions that constitute an attempt at atonement are agreed upon by both partners. Step 4: Only at this point is the challenge of learning how to forgive discussed, and only if betrayed partners are ready to begin to work on it. If so, they’re coached on how to write a forgiveness letter that involves accepting the attempts at atonement and expressing a willingness to let go of a sense of injury. This all takes place with the understanding that forgiveness can’t be legislated; it has to grow over time. It’s my experience that patiently and thoroughly working through this difficult process without shaming and blaming is what allows a couple to move on to achieving a level of intimacy and trust that they typically never had before. I remember a man named Paul who’d gone on to transform his relationship with his wife after her affair and referred to their new sense of connection as his “second marriage.” In one of our last sessions, he put his arm around his wife, smiled at me conspiratorially, and said, “You know what I like best? Here I have this extraordinary woman and a brand new ‘second marriage,’ and the lawyers didn’t get a dime!” AUTHOR'S RESPONSE I agree with David Treadway’s observation that working with couples after an infidelity takes lots of finesse and that, of course, the feelings of the person who’s been deceived and betrayed need to taken into account and addressed. Like Treadway, I think Janis Spring’s “secrets policy” can be invaluable, offering helpful clinical guidelines for individual work when necessary. Since this case study was told from Sarah’s point of view, it doesn’t delve into Rob’s feelings, nor do we get to see much of the couples work. Instead, the focus is on the special issues of identity and empowerment for women who have affairs. If I’d told the fuller story of the therapy with this couple, I’d have devoted more attention to the third phase of treatment—the attempt to help them develop a new vision of their marriage, which I call the “new monogamy.” However, the most important message I hope readers take away from this case is that even after the wrenching pain of an affair, therapists still have an opportunity to help troubled couples create a new relationship with better communication, fuller intimacy, and realistic hope for a better future together. Tammy Nelson, Ph.D., M.S., a board-certified sexologist, licensed professional counselor, certified sex therapist, and Imago therapist, is the founder and executive director of the Center for Healing. She’s the author of The New Monogamy; Getting the Sex You Want; and What’s Eating You? David Treadway, Ph.D., is director of the Treadway Training Institute. He’s the author of Home Before Dark: First Year with Cancer and Intimacy, Change, and Other Therapeutic Mysteries: Stories of Clinicians and Clients.
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  • 0 NP0025: Treating Anxiety: Latest AdvancesParents, Children, and Anxiety: Changing the Family Dance with Lynn Lyons 10.16.2012 19:21
    Thank you so much, I DO work with children, and the critical importance of early effective intervention with childhood anxiety has been emphasized in recent years. I have one question. Lynn Lyons talked about writing down the "4B's" and said she would have a slightly different list for older children. I did not hear what those differences would be, and this is something I would appreciate clarification on. Again, thank you. Frequently in commenting after these presentations, I ask how presented ideas relate to children, but I don't believe I have ever received a response. I would REALLY like more presentations regarding treatment of chidren's disorders.
    Merrilee Nolan Gibson, Psy.D., LMFT
  • 0 NP0025: Treating Anxiety: Latest AdvancesSingle-Session Cures with Anxiety Problems with Steve Andreas 10.09.2012 13:23
    It was mentioned that these techniques work for anxiety as well as other strong emotions, and the phrase emotional regulation was used. I work with children for whom emotion regulation is a major problem, resulting in disruptive behavior with further negative consequences for the child and frustration for both child and parent. So my question is, have these techniques been used with children, and if so how could I obtain more information about that. I would appreciate any comment or assistance with this topic. Thanks.
  • 0 NP0025: Treating Anxiety: Latest AdvancesInterrupting the Anxiety Cycle with Danie Beaulieu 10.02.2012 22:58
    Absolutely delightful presentation, so many creative and fresh ideas. I want to learn more. Thank you so much.
  • 0 NP0020 Men in Therapy: What Clinicians Need to KnowMen and Depression with Holly Sweet 07.10.2012 15:10
    Dr Sweet, I really appreciated the clarity of your presentation on a topic I certainly feel I need to know more about. I too would like to be part of the listserv. My email merrilee@gibson2.com
    Thank you so much. Oh, and something I wonder about--is how much of this discussion applies to working with boys? I have a number of boy clients, currently from age 5 to 14, and it seems to me that some of what Dr. Sweet has said about working with men may apply to working with boys as well.
    Merrilee Nolan Gibson, Psy.D, LMFT
  • 0 NP0010 Is Mindfulness Enough? NP0010, Mindfulness, Bonus Session, Sharon Salzberg 11.09.2011 14:11
    In hearing Sharon Salsberg today, I am grateful for her level-headed, simply stated, invaluable and unpretentious wisdom. I wish I could just bottle her words and hand them to patients (and keep a set for myself, of course). The thoughts about lovingkindness, about the components of action, seem so relevant to some of the troubling aspects of the lives of the people I see in my office, information that I perceive as being supremely helpful and positive. Thank you so much.
  • 0 NP0010 Is Mindfulness Enough? NP0010, Mindfulness, Session 6, Mark Epstein 11.02.2011 13:37
    Thank you for this presentation. Having now experienced several of these mindfulness sessions, I was struck anew with the idea that what you are doing with this multi-part presentation is allowing us to see different parts of the elephant that is mindfulness (borrowing Dan Siegel’s whole elephant concept). Each presenter shows us their particular understanding and experience of mindfulness.

    I am deeply grateful for Dr. Epstein’s thoughts today. As it happens, this presentation touched some areas that are already fresh in my mind. Having just completed my doctoral dissertation (whew!) which was a case study, using concepts of Rogers, and also of play therapy, led me into the world of D. W. Winnicott, who had a great deal to say about play in the course of his writing. Winnicott draws parallels between the therapy process and that of play (As Dr. Epstein did today). So the incorporation of Winnicott’s thinking was much appreciated.

    At the risk of sounding like the mythical Johnny One-Note, I feel the need to reflect once more on how all this thinking and discussion of mindfulness and therapy resonates in Carl Roger’s writings. Rogers represents the successful therapy experience as bringing the client’s experiences and feelings into awareness, which is a central theme of mindfulness practice. Rogers describes a therapeutic experience when he feels he is at his best: “when I am closest to my inner, intuitive self, when I am somehow in touch with the unknown in me, when perhaps I am in a slightly altered state of consciousness. At these moments it seems that my inner spirit has reached out and touched the inner spirit of the other. Our relationship transcends itself, and has become part of something larger. Profound growth and healing and energy are present” (Rogers, 1979, The foundations of the person-centered approach, Education, 100(2), 98-107).
  • 0 NP007 The Road to Clinical ExcellenceNP007, Excellence, Session 6, William Pinsof 08.17.2011 12:21
    Appreciated information in William Pinsof’s presentation. Very informative, quite clearly presented, perhaps a glimpse of the future of psychotherapy. I will visit this website, seek out the recommended articles, gain more information.

    Pinsof says this is his life’s work, and I do respect his commitment and the very impressive work that is being done and envisioned.

    This is now the sixth of these sessions. I as a clinician have listened with interest to all presenters. I have some concerns. It seems that each presenter has a system that they are committed to, and that works very well for them. So, if the wave of the future is in these systems, who decides which system to use? Or, how do the different systems become compatible? Each presenter has stated that they feel the use of their particular system has made them a better therapist, and I believe them.

    Therapists are an independent and contrary lot (I know this because I am one). We are seeing visions of the future of psychotherapy. Fascinating, challenging. Who decides which vision to use? What about those who are not systems people, the dedicated individualists, Rogers-style therapists, for instance, who rely on the development of their empathy and intuition and work from a place of respect for each and every individual? Are we to be left in the dust? Just asking.

    I do very much appreciate this information, and will delve further into these new and challenging areas. I do greatly respect each presenter, and value their commitment and willingness to share. Thank you all, and the Psychotherapy Networker for these presentations.
    Merrilee Nolan Gibson, MA, LMFT
  • 0 NP007 The Road to Clinical ExcellenceNP007, Excellence, Session 4, Michael Lambert 08.02.2011 16:55
    Thank you for expanding my horizons. It seems clear that I have much to learn, but when Michael Lambert says that in the end the patients benefit from the practices he describes, I as a therapist must learn more of this. I need time to digest this, and to read more, look at the slides, check the website, etc. This presentation offers exciting possibilities for the future if we who are in practice can get and apply the message.
    In short, thank you for a very thought-provoking presentation. I want to learn more.
  • 0 NP007 The Road to Clinical ExcellenceNP007, Excellence, Session 3, Barry Duncan 08.01.2011 12:01
    Thank you for another valuable session with important information. I am a Rogerian from way back, so I feel that much of this has been said by Rogers, and it is interesting to see how much discussion there is about the importance of the therapeutic alliance in current practice. I think Carl Rogers would be very pleased.
    I do very much appreciate the presentation, and to plan to avail myself of the impressive offerings of the website, and thank you so much, Barry Duncan, for your generosity in sharing knowledge and resources with us.
  • 0 NP007 The Road to Clinical ExcellenceNP007, Excellence, Session 2, Etienne Wenger 07.29.2011 12:56
    Thank you for an enlightening presentation. The "learning partners" phrase interested me. Dr. Katharine Ford in Palo Alto specializes in working with couples, and I have taken workshops with her. She calls her way of working with couples the "Learning Partners Model" and it is one tht includes both members of the couple as well as the therapists as a learning community in the therapy process.
  • 0 NP007 The Road to Clinical ExcellenceNP007, Excellence, Session 2, Etienne Wenger 07.29.2011 12:53
    Marylou, I think you touched a nerve with your comment about "critical but non-judgmental feedback." That is a quality I would very much like to locate. It seems to me to somehow tie in with the Carl Rogers nondirective model, which emphasizes acceptance and reflection without judging.
  • 0 NP006 Couples Therapy: Today and TomorrowCouples, Session 5, Michele Weiner-Davis 07.18.2011 20:26
    Thank you for a thought-provoking presentation. I really respect Michelle for her compassionate and caring approach to a very difficult topic, and for her willingness to courageously forge new paths for the rest of us.
  • 0 NP006 Couples Therapy: Today and TomorrowNP006, Couples, Session 2, Terry Real 07.13.2011 12:34
    I am coming late to hearing this session. Very much appreciated the ideas and techniques about relational mindfulness. I use mindfulness in my practice and this presentation has provided new tools. I see these ideas as being effective beyond couples therapy to family therapy, parent-child therapy. I particularly liked the example of having the person dialogue with their children's pictures about the effects of their indiscriminate sounding off. Thank you so much for very useable ideas.
    One comment--I see many remarks about poor sound quality for Terry--I am baffled by that. I had no difficulty hearing/understanding what he was saying.
    One more comment about Rich's contributions. I understand his role as moderator, and appreciate that, but I do find that his clarifications are sometimes intrusive and go on too long. We actually do get it; we don't always need a translator to understand what is being said. So--more presenter, less Rich, please.
  • 0 NP007 The Road to Clinical ExcellenceNP007, Excellence, Session 1, Scott Miller 07.12.2011 13:30
    Well, I definitely feel challenged to learn more; will start with reading articles and downloading forms from scott miller’s website. It seems I have work to do.
    I’m a little confused, though. I remember reading a fairly recent article (sorry, don’t have specifics just now) that indicated something to the effect that more effective therapy was done by more experienced clinicians in whatever their chosen therapy mode. I need to look up that reference. Still, much food for thought, much to learn. Thanks for getting me started in this area.
    I hope we are all interested in improving our clinical skills and effectiveness. This webinar provided some specific suggestions to begin a process of improvement.
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Session 6, Allan Schore 05.11.2011 10:24
    Just a comment about Rich's interactions. First, I am enormously grateful for his efforts in making these presentations happen. In most previous sessions, I found Rich's comments helpful most of the time There were, however, several occasions when I actually found myself saying "Be quiet, Rich, and let him(her) speak." I particularly had that feeling in Dr Schore's presentation. It seemed to me that Rich was being very "left brain" about "right brain" processes. While I do understand that as moderator that it is his job to move the presentations along and make the major points in the allotted time. I found his constant interruptions of Dr. Schore and his repeated insistence, with very little time remaining, for specifics of how to do therapy in the ways Dr. Schore was discussing, as very jarring and disrespectful. It really felt like Rich was hounding Dr. Schore. It was not a welcome process to behold. Rich was asking for "left brain" answers to "right brain" questions. I really had the sense that Rich just didn't get it. If he had really been LISTENING to the essence of Dr. Schore's message, I don't believe he would have asked THOSE questions in THAT way at the end of the session.
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Session 6, Allan Schore 05.10.2011 22:48
    Well, I think Mary Ainsworth, Mary Main, Inge Bretherton, to name just three women, are certainly primary attachment researchers. Also, Arietta Slade, Joan Stevenson-Hinde, Jude Cassidy, come to mind. I'm sure there are several others. This is just off the top of my head.
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Bonus Session, Ed Tronick 05.10.2011 19:15
    Well my goodness, thank you Dr. Tronick. You have succeeded in providing some meaning for this therapist. I had not previously heard very much about the ideas you presented, but I am certainly going to find out more. In hearing distinguished presenters this past six weeks, I felt somewhat perplexed at accommodating--or making meaning--out of the sometimes varied and even opposing viewpoints we have heard. I feel your approach was a kind of bridge toward greater understanding. I truly did find your presentation helpful and clarifying. It made a great deal of sense. Thank you so much.
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Session 6, Allan Schore 05.10.2011 17:42
    My left brain is put in the unenviable position of trying to express the inexpressible satisfaction of hearing and seeing Dr. Schore speaking today, after long experience of reading his words on the printed page.

    My left brain struggles to make sense of all the information on attachment, as it has evolved since Bowlby’s initial presentations, as it appears in voluminous professional literature, and as presented in the past six weeks on these web lectures, with prestigious clinicians sharing their undoubtedly valuable but sometimes widely-differing opinions in this field.

    I am just one therapist in a small practice working with patients referred by State and County mental health programs. Most of my patients are children and I do see presentations of what certainly appears to be attachment-related behavior. My job is to help these children.

    So, Dr. Schore’s message spoke to my right brain, and in many ways supported what I have known all along, as a therapist. It also seems to me that Carl Rogers was right—therapy is a way of being, and the alliance is the principal mechanism of change. Virginia Satir was right, too, in her involving of multiple senses—the whole body-- into the therapeutic experience, in her reminding us that everything we do is communication, that we are comunicating all the time.

    Donald Meichenbaum once said, in a lecture I attended, that therapy is hard work. And he is right about that: it takes everything I can muster to work with the children I see. But in addition to the hard work, there is also the joy. There is a child’s sudden delighted smile; there is the enchanting music of a spontaneous peal of laughter; there is also an unseen but vividly felt mutual presence. I am humbled and thrilled with what I learn from the children all the time.

    My right brain thanks you, Dr. Schore.
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Session 4, David Schnarch 05.01.2011 21:29
    Dr. Schnarch,
    Thank you again. I will certainly review all this in more depth. Right now, my “eagle eye,” as you put it, is already on attachment theory, at least in part. I am in the midst of writing my Doctoral dissertation. I am knee-deep in books by Rogers, Bowlby, Fonagy, Stern, Schore, not to mention Erikson, Piaget, Lev Vygotsky, Anna Freud, Melanie Klein, Hermine Hug-Hellmuth . . . well, you get the idea, I’m sure.

    I find your “in your face” approach so refreshing. My license title is “Marriage and Family Therapist” but in fact I think our preparation for couples work is beyond woefully inadequate. I have done some couples work, and I have found it quite a challenge to penetrate the glaze that has set in around the couple who have waited—as they all seem to do—to come to therapy until their situation is truly dire. But I work primarily with children, and I especially like to work with very young children, starting about age 3. So, while I find couples work fascinating I’m not doing any of it right now. My basic therapy approach is Rogers and, for children, Axline. My dissertation is a case study of therapy with a 3-year-old, and attachment issues do come into it.

    Well, I’ve probably lost you by now, so I’ll stop. Truly, I can see the value in the kind of challenge you offer couples. When I’m through with this current project, I will certainly take a closer look at what you are doing and saying.

    My sincerest thanks for your graciousness.
    Merrilee Gibson
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Session 4, David Schnarch 05.01.2011 17:11
    Dr. Schnarch,
    How very caring and thoughtful you are to provide each of us with comments. I was just reading the comment board, and there is so much material it’s like another webinar session, and very thought-provoking. I think you must be a teacher at heart. Thank you so very much for sharing.
    Merrilee Gibson, San Mateo, CA
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Session 4, David Schnarch 04.26.2011 13:19
    What an exciting and challenging presentation! What I liked most was the idea of “civilized debate." In these past weeks we have been been hearing some intense and valuable ideas that are in many not ways in agreement. But they all have merit, deserve more thought and understanding. I hope for civilized debate, something I fear I our society in general, and the world of psychotherapy perhaps in particular, has nearly forgotten how to engage in.
    Merrilee Gibson
  • 0.1 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Session 2, Jerome Kagan 04.21.2011 12:38
    I place great value on acquiring knowledge in my chosen field. It challenges my thinking and helps me to be a more informed therapist, which I believe helps me and my clients. That said, for a therapist it all finally comes down to the person (or family, or couple) you see before you in the therapy session. It is essential to attend to what the client presents. Main, in her work on adult attachment discusses the narratives that we have about our lives. The stories that we hear from our clients are valuable clues to their experiences and beliefs. I believe that EVERYTHING we have heard about so far in these presentations is important—attachment, temperament, neurobiology, class, ethnicity, life experiences, genetics, parenting attitudes, etc. etc. We need to be AWARE of the importance of all these aspects, and we need to be ATTENTIVE to our client’s presentation. We can use our heightened awareness to help us toward a more complete understanding of the individual seeking our help. I am very grateful for the diverse and meaningful information we have heard thus far from our very distinguished presenters. I also appreciate the many wise and informed comments of colleagues. How truly special and wonderful that we can have these discussions, exchange ideas, and continue to learn! Dr. Kagan emphasizes the importance of a therapist working from a theory we believe in. Thank you. I do that, and I still seek greater knowledge all the time.
    Merrilee Gibson, LMFT, San Mateo, CA
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004, Attachment, Session 2, Jerome Kagan 04.12.2011 13:27
    Thank you once again. Much valuable information in this session. I need some time to digest before I feel able to make any meaningful comment.
    Merrilee Gibson
    San Mateo, CA
  • 0 P004 New Perspectives on Practice: The Great Attachment DebateP004: Attachment, Session 1, Alan Sroufe 04.05.2011 13:34
    Thank you SO MUCH. I have read much attachment theory literature, am a big fan of Ainsworth's work as well. I am currently working on my Doctoral dissertation, a case study involving attachment issues, using Rogers' client-centered approach. As I listened today, I had one of those "Aha!" moments, appreciating the connection between quality of attachment relationships, with quality of therapeutic relationship, which is a main concern for a Rogerian therapist. Thank you, you have helped me with perspective on this case and on the Dissertation. It was a GREAT PRIVILEGE to hear Dr. Sroufe in person. I have read quite a lot of his work, and do have The Development of the Person.. I look forward to coming weeks.
  • 0 P002 New Perspectives: Ethical Standards for the 21st Century PractitionerNew Perspectives on Ethics, Session 5, Steven Frankel: Comment Board 02.15.2011 07:27
    While all sessions were valuable and provided welcome and useful information, this was possibly the very best, for the range and conciseness of the information provided. I have attended a number of Dr. Frankel's workshops,snd he never disappoints. I especially appreciate his targeting of areas and prioritizing them. It seems there is so much to be mindful of as a therapist, it is especially helpful (for me at least) to have such practical and down-to-earth comments. I look forward to reviewing information on slides; I am glad to have them available as reference. In summary, thank you very much.
    Merrilee, San Mateo
  • 0 P002 New Perspectives: Ethical Standards for the 21st Century PractitionerNew Perspectives on Ethics, Session 4 with William Doherty: Comment Board 02.08.2011 06:59
    Thank you VERY much. Excellent presentation, and the technical problems were fixed, as well (hurray!). I felt Dr. Doherty's presentation was very clear, on theme, focused, hands-on approach practical point of view. All sessions have presented helpful and valuable information; I personally felt this was the best one so far.
    Merrilee, San Mateo, Califonria
  • 0 P002 New Perspectives: Ethical Standards for the 21st Century PractitionerNew Perspectives on Ethics, Session 2, Ofer Zur: Comment Board 01.31.2011 07:05
    My first response to all of Dr. Zur's information was WOW! This is a whole area of ethical concern
    that needs FAR MORE attention than it has gotten thus far. My thanks to Psych Networker and Dr. Zur for venturing into this thought-provoking area.
    I would like to comment, though, that thus far I am staying with my (stated) boundaries in session of NO electronic distractions. I make a point of turning off my cell phone before sessions, and ask that patients do the same, unless there is a compelling reason for an exception. I believe that both therapist and patient are best served by total focus on session material, without distractions. Maybe that makes me hopelessly "20th century" but I feel quite strongly about modeling this focused attention on the patient's presenting issues.

    Merrilee, San Mateo, CA
  • 0 P002 New Perspectives: Ethical Standards for the 21st Century PractitionerNew Perspectives on Ethics, Session 1: Comment Board 01.21.2011 06:20
    I appreciated the information and style of this presentation. I have a question. Mary Jo answered several times that these ethical areas/questions are addressed in the first session. So my question is, how much time is spent in first session on ethical considerations? I find that new clients are wanting to get to discussion and consideration of their issues, particularly if there is something currently distressing to them. How do you balance ethical coverage with addressing presenting issues of the client? Thank you for your help.
    Merrilee, San Mateo, CA

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